Today is a day of running some errands, and then doing the behind-the-scenes code-y bits to get a new section of the Gothic Charm School site up tomorrow. (I have the content all written and everything, now is the fiddly part.) Tonight, while the Stroppy One goes off to game night, I am going to lounge around, paint my nails, and read BONESHAKER. There are other things I could do, like write or work on one of a billion sewing projects, but no. I want a lazy evening.

Have all of you seen [livejournal.com profile] cleolinda's post about celebrity, fandom, and boundaries? (clicky-link!) If you haven't, you should. Because the incident that prompted her to make the post is the sort of behavior that makes the rest of us who are fans of any media-related person (musician, actor, writer, whomever) not only ::facepalm::, but makes us loath to TALK ABOUT BEING A FAN. Because we don't want to get labeled as one of the deeply crazy people.

An example: as many of you know, I am a big fan of My Chemical Romance. I have been known, on occasion, to refer to Gerard Way as my Rock Star Crush Object, and have jokingly mentioned that I would like to keep the band as pets, in highly decorative cages. JOKINGLY. They are real people, with real lives, and the times that I have been lucky enough to meet them, I have essentially told them that I admire them and their work, thank you for writing these great songs. I have not flung myself at them babbling incoherently. This past summer at San Diego Comic Com, when I had the good fortune to randomly meet and have a conversation with Gerard Way and give him a copy of my book? The Stroppy One had to almost push me over to talk to him, because I didn't want to be One Of Those Fans. The Stroppy One was also the one who said, "Don't you want a photo with him?". I didn't think of it myself, probably because I didn't want to infringe on Gerard's time or personal space any more than I already had.

(Thank you, oh Stroppy One, for pushing me into that and taking the photo. squeee!)

In short. Go read [livejournal.com profile] cleolinda's post. BOUNDARIES, PEOPLE. APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR. KEEP THESE THINGS IN MIND.

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Okay, now I go work on the site.

From: [identity profile] tiatsuchi.livejournal.com


There is no universe in which this sort of behavior is acceptable. :( I'm sure there are far more constructive outlets their energy and attention towards stalking him could have been redirected towards.

From: [identity profile] shoindiematrix.livejournal.com


*nods* Of course, when I read Wolfboy out of context, I keep thinking we're talking about a tabloid science fiction interview.

From: [identity profile] sirriamnis.livejournal.com


I am continuously shocked at the lengths to which stupid will go to prove to me that I am, indeed, NOT unshockable.

That said, I love Cleolinda.

From: [identity profile] maudelynn.livejournal.com


Image (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28965072@N00/4288910918/)

what is wrong with people?? I never seem to get an answer to that.
Gerard is adorable, by the way. Very Sweet.


From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


I keep asking what is wrong with people, and I still haven't found a good answer.

(The two times I have met Gerard, he was utterly charming.)

From: [identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com


Teenagers + social media + celebrity culture = a disaster (blame Pete Wentz)

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


Isn't "blame Pete Wentz" kind of a default position for us?

(How are you feeling, oh plague-ridden one? Any better?)

From: [identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com


Yeah, I'm better, thank you. That only took a month!

...where are the parents? That's a teenaged kid, what was it doing running wild?

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


If you're talking about the taking pictures of the celeb's house and pets (OH MY GOD, NOT ENOUGH CRINGING IN THE WORLD), from what I understand, the girl's mom DROVE HER THERE.

...

Let me tell you, if I had said to either of my parents "I have the address of this rock star I adore! Will you drive me there?", there would have been A Talk. And possibly them never letting me out of the house again.
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


Let me tell you, if I had said to either of my parents "I have the address of this rock star I adore! Will you drive me there?", there would have been A Talk. And possibly them never letting me out of the house again.

You'd better believe it. And my teenager has been well instructed on Proper Behavior Around Performers, including what NOT to yell during shows, what NOT to say during signings, etc.

What kills me is that we saw All Time Low three years ago, when they were a nearly unknown opening band on a five band bill, and the kid (then 11) was sufficiently impressed by the music to go buy a CD with her own money between sets, and got it signed, and they were very nice to her, and that was plenty, thank you! It's a shame that other people have no idea how to behave.

From: [identity profile] rocket-jockey.livejournal.com


Let me tell you, if I had said to either of my parents "I have the address of this rock star I adore! Will you drive me there?", there would have been A Talk. And possibly them never letting me out of the house again.

After asking who I was and what I had done to their shy son, my parents would have started with a Thermonuclear Grounding of Doom and gone from there!
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


My mother actually told me about some of her (fairly mild) youthful fangirl shenanigans -- seems a junior high or high school class was taken to see a Broadway show, and she and some of the other girls were quite taken with the male lead and hung around the stage door giggling and making nuisances of themselves, and this behavior was considered sufficiently unaccpetable that the class never got taken on field trips to shows ever again. So I was warned.

From: [identity profile] rocket-jockey.livejournal.com


My mother was a Tom Jones fan - and was shocked to giggles when I was a kid after she went to a concert and saw women throwing bras, panties and hotel-room keys onto the stage. I don't think she could believe what she was seeing: she marveled over it for years afterward. I thought she was exaggerating, because I couldn't imagine anyone doing such a thing.

Her reaction and her admonitions to my older sister in later years came back to me while watching a rock concert not long ago. A woman climbed up onto her date's shoulders, stripped to the waist, and waved her top over her head trying to catch the band's attention. It made me shake my head in wonder and embarassment.

From: [identity profile] mimi-monsterr.livejournal.com


I remember my nan telling me that that's quite ordinary at a Tom Jones show!
...but then she went to see Rolf Harris a few years ago..and women were doing the same to him-eek!

From: [identity profile] amy37.livejournal.com


Oh. my. good. god.

cleolinda's progression of fan love (ending with "I want to eat your eyeballs") was excellent.

From: [identity profile] kambriel.livejournal.com


And sadly, it doesn't stop at teenagers. Some people just seem to have lost the concept of "drawing the line". Most "fans" or I'd rather think of as "appreciators", I do believe are simply those who hold an innocent/positive fascination with others and their work. The problems come from those who have problems with personal *obsessions* that they just can't seem to control ~ one-way obsessions that can often twist and turn until they reach a negative focus on the person who's out of their reach.

You know, I totally didn't ask Helena Bonham Carter for a photo, but a big part of that was because I felt for her with all the forceful paparazzi ~ even those who may not have known who she was... just that she was *someone*. I thought after that kind of besiegement, she deserved a breather.

From: [identity profile] stillbourne.livejournal.com


I may be the worlds biggest Alice Cooper fan and I admit it, BUT....
I wouldnt EVER do that to him!

Thats stalker behavior!
Creeeeepy!
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From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


Have you ever seen Gerard react to underwear thrown on stage? He picks it up in a pincer grip and THROWS IT BACK. Unlike flowers or toy dinosaurs, which he keeps. It was SO funny! And set the boundary well, I thought.

I consider it a bit of icing on the cake if performers I admire interact with me any more than, you know, BEING ON STAGE. Andy Deane from Bella Morte is super nice about talking with fans after the shows and giving hugs and taking pictures, and I cherish the picture I have of me with him (and the signed setlist), but this does NOT mean I'm going to stalk him at his house or anything else!

I can fansquee with the best of them, but I try not to behave like a complete idiot.

From: [identity profile] amethyst-clan.livejournal.com


That is amazingly, amazingly creepy.

I would've called the cops, immediately. And then gotten her name and a restraining order, if at all possible.

The thing that boggles me most? Her f'n mother driving her to do this! What the hell was she thinking?! Did she ever, at some point, even think "hey. This might be over the line."?

From: [identity profile] amethyst-clan.livejournal.com


Okay. Scratch that last line. For some reason, I thought her mom drove her. But still. Why didn't her parents teach her that this type of behavior is NOT OKAY?

From: [identity profile] quasievil-bunny.livejournal.com


Sadly, the majority of Foaming Fangirls that I have witnessed are of the Mature (in age only) variety.

*twitch-twitch*

From: [identity profile] rocket-jockey.livejournal.com


The woman asking to have her underwear signed had a 'tween-aged daughter in tow. If someone asked me to autograph undies when I was a teenager I would have hid under the table. The actor managed the situation really well, but he shouldn't have had to.

From: [identity profile] quasievil-bunny.livejournal.com


I'm not doubting the incident with the 'tweener. Make's you think tho....they learn that behavior from somewhere.....

*sigh*

From: [identity profile] snoissesbo.livejournal.com


That post was a very good read. Thank you for sharing the link.

Some people have fallen on their heads too many times. Not only do they completely ruin things for the normal fans, they make the person they are a fan of uncomfortable at best. And they waste a perfectly good chance at an enjoyable experience. Were I to someone I am a fan of, I woupe prefer to exchange a few pleasant words and a smile and perhaps a handshake than to try to have them sign my panties (never mind that the ink would fade away as they are being washed) or something like that. It leaves a longer-lasting and more pleasant memory for both parties involved. Buuuuut... apparently that's too hard to understand for some people out there.

From: [identity profile] mimi-monsterr.livejournal.com


then again, they probably would never wash that underwear again! and sleep with it under their pillow or something else suitable as creepy...

From: [identity profile] aprilstarchild.livejournal.com


I've only met A Famous Person once, and it was Neil Gaiman--the world premiere of the movie Coraline was in Portland, and he pointed out on his blog that while he wouldn't have time to do an official signing (busy with press junkets etc.), he was happy to meet people at the red carpet.

And so there was about twenty or thirty of us standing on either side, including someone who shouted "He just left the hotel! He posted to Twitter!"

He was the second Famous Person to arrive--I have no idea who the first one was. And Neil took his time going up one side of the carpet and down the other, signing books, getting his picture taken with fans, etc. A few people were obviously nervous, and he took it in stride. Neil seemed to be genuinely enjoying himself! It was so awesome!

He drew a little gravestone with RIP and my name in my copy of The Graveyard Book, in addition to signing it. It was fabulous.

I remember thinking....good lord. How many other authors etc. are so open and pleasant to their fans? I mean, the guy must attract some badly-adjusted people. And yet he goes out of his way to make us happy.

From: [identity profile] typsy-gypsy.livejournal.com


This sort of thing is why I warned you about acting like a fangirl the 1st time I see you. ;)

I WOULD like to think that we could meet for tea at some point. Being that we'll likely see each other at events, maybe we shall become chums. :)

See, even saying that much makes me feel creeper-ish. LOL I just think you're neat. :)

From: [identity profile] sabishii-sakura.livejournal.com


Enjoy your lazy evening - Boneshaker is wonderful!

That type of crazy behavior makes me cringe, just because of how uncomfortable I am for the people involved. I couldn't imagine being that ignorant, or on the receiving end of that level of ignorance.

If I had any celebrities I was so enchanted with, I imagine I would behave much like you did in your example. If only more fans were so polite.

From: [identity profile] kibarika.livejournal.com


This story reminds me of the one I heard where a fan at a con said to James Marsters, "Take your shirt off!" and he jokingly said, "You first!" and then she did.

...at the "Serenity" premiere, I walked by Alyson Hannigan and Alexis Denisof and all I said was "Excuse me" because I needed to get by and I also did not want to be in their way. This took great self-control because what I wanted to say was, "Hello. You are the two most beautiful people on this earth. I would like to just look at you for a while now." (That said, I did ogle them significantly enough that I got kind of a strange look from Aly...)

Fans like these really do ruin it for the rest of us, don't they?

From: [identity profile] melworks.livejournal.com


Every once in a while the universe likes to remind us that 'fan' is derived from 'fanatic' with over the top behavior from an idiot.
On a completely unrelated matter, is that Boneshaker by Cherie Priest? 'Cause I've been trying to read that for a while, but can't make it past the second chapter before losing interest. Another sad example of a book recced by Neil Gaiman that I just don't enjoy. :(

From: [identity profile] strawberry-goth.livejournal.com


Seriously, what's wrong with people? That's just creepy, stalker creepy and wrong.

When I finally get to meet you I'm giving you a hug and maybe buy you a cupcake(ok really I just want a good excuse to buy cupcakes). Also I will try not to squee.

You got to meet Gerard Way? What did you talk to him about? Just curious.^_^

From: [identity profile] ouranophobe.livejournal.com


There's really nothing meaningful I can add here to the expressions of outrage and squick over the behaviour of flaming idiots. I am, however, reasonably certain you can picture the expression I'm wearing as I type this. Consider that my contribution? :D

From: [identity profile] lilmissmisfit.livejournal.com

amazing.


I am also a big fan of My Chemical Romance, but have not had the privilege of meeting them. Is Gerard nice in person?
Also, I read cleolinda's post and I feel the exact same way as you. I have met few of the bands I like and when I did I wouldn't actually talk to them because 1) I was starstruck and 2) I didn't want to disturb them.
I have met Wil and Angel from Aiden and both were very kind to me.
By the way, I look forward to seeing your outfits every time I am on LJ.
Thanks.
:)
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