Hmm. I just read a blog post explaining that "nu-goth" is about "weird people wearing black", and forcibly rejecting the history and "cheese" (their words, not mine) of the Goth culture. Ohh-kaay?

But that is why the idea of "nu-goth" doesn't appeal to me. Bring on the bombast and heightened emotional states! Bring on the cheesy vampire movies, the black capes, and BRING ON THE CLICHES.

[/amused ElderGoth faux-rant]


(Yes, I originally made this comment on FB. But I know there are Other Gothy Types who might want to talk about this who avoid FB. So, reposting.)

From: [identity profile] quasievil-bunny.livejournal.com


Oh, for goodness sakes. That's like New Coke.
Edited Date: 2011-11-28 10:44 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] icprncs.livejournal.com


Somewhat in the vein of repeating myself: that sort of thing just makes me want to pinch cheeks and exclaim about how cute the young'uns are. Every generation feels the need to reinvent the wheel--or at least redefine it.

From: [identity profile] jola.livejournal.com


I will always be over the top. always. it DEFINES my gothness.

The thing about the "cheese" is that there is no irony there, I actually truly and totally adore it without (i think) losing perspective and, i think, my sense of humor.

I'm not ashamed of being an utter goober either, it's kind of a zen state of being where there is no shame, no denial, only the joy and enjoyment of BEING exactly who you are.

From: [identity profile] emmapoe.livejournal.com


Exactly! These "dark hipsters" who dress in black are irritating to me because they refuse to admit that they really like anything and misuse the term irony.

I'm 30 and when I was in grad school the younger hipster types actually asked me "So do you really like that stuff or are you just being ironic". Why waste one's time pretending not to like things that you then actually use in your wardrobe or daily life?

heheh. ranty!

From: [identity profile] cherry-faery.livejournal.com


You should tell them that you're being ironically authentic in your taste and let them enjoy trying to decipher that one for a while. :P

From: [identity profile] tinkerbell86ca.livejournal.com


jBaaahahahah! I like this! Ironically authentic! Golden!

From: [identity profile] cherry-faery.livejournal.com


So, in essence, they want to be goth without all the gothic influences and elements that make it recognizable because it's recognizable? I suppose this is all possible but I'm wondering why you would want to bother once you stripped all the fun out of it. To me, this seems more like you want to eat cupcakes but you don't want any that are made of cake and have frosting on them.

From: [identity profile] plymouth.livejournal.com


Also, it's not like there aren't plenty of other subcultures who wear black. Metalheads, New Yorkers and hackers all come to mind immediately. Oh, and mimes! And ninjas! Go join one of them if you don't like goth :)

From: [identity profile] wingedelf.livejournal.com


All black is also the official Seattle pedestrian garb.

From: [identity profile] plymouth.livejournal.com


Yeah, I don't think you get to use the prefix "nu-" and credibly claim to be rejecting cheese - it is the very essence of cheese.

From: [identity profile] tinkerbell86ca.livejournal.com


. . . . . Ok, pardon? They said what? Silly I say, silly! *waves finger to make point*

I LOVE the bombast of Goth culture! The cheese? Sure, why not! It makes life more fun!

From: [identity profile] miss-lisa-ma.livejournal.com


Oh, how adorable! I can't wait to see them stomp their little Doc-clad footies in a fit of hipster pique.

From: [identity profile] staxxy.livejournal.com


if they reject all things Goth, why claim the title at all? Ah youth, so ridiculous.

From: [identity profile] brockulfsen.livejournal.com


I'm pretty understated, wear black all the time, don't tend to over the top. (Except hats, I like hats.)

However without cheese there is no Goth.

Without The Lost Boys and their Mullets of Doom or the snarkfest that is Queen of the Damned, all we are is people wearing black and not dancing.
ext_3319: Goth girl outfit (mercifulrelease)

From: [identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com


Not to mention that one of the musical Classics Of The Genre is produced by Jim Steinman and shows it in all ten-plus minutes of it. Yes, I'm talking about This Corrosion.

From: [identity profile] brockulfsen.livejournal.com

Goth on FB


Closed group to keep the snarking in the family.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/283582701667811/

From: [identity profile] ozitonaranjo.livejournal.com


Nu-goth... Um, no thanks. It just sounds wrong.

From: [identity profile] dark-phoenix54.livejournal.com


Oh, good lord. those people wouldn't know fun if it ran up and bit them on the ass. I know it's a different world today than 20 years ago, but that seems like all the more reason to find fun where ever you can.

From: [identity profile] ravens-secrets.livejournal.com


it is right up there with the nu-hippies and their re inventing the green movement with their designer hippy clothes and cell phones.... ridiculous! LMAO!!

From: [identity profile] theosakakoneko.livejournal.com


Give me vampires and bats and black bedrooms and 13th floors and black veils and Sisters of Mercy and Siouxsie and ruffles and lace and cravats and Victorian coats any day.

From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


To use an old MOO expression out of context, I like cheese.

I won't be surprised if the last I hear of nu-goth is in maybe a year. They have the snark down, but that's not enough to build a subculture on.

From: [identity profile] weaselmom.livejournal.com


Perhaps it's a typo. Maybe they meant "un-goth."

From: [identity profile] moonmelodies.livejournal.com


I agree. The cheese in Goth is what makes it. I could never really understand those Goths who have knee jerk reactions to anyone or anything they deemed "cliche". Uh, hello! On our best day we all resemble extras in Sweeney Todd.

I think the problem in many Goths today is that they're way too serious. I mean, whatever happened to the tongue in cheekness fun spirit of it all? Oh well, I can still laugh at myself. I LOVE the uber doober cheesey goth stuff. I mean stuff like reading mournful poetry in a graveyard whilst sipping red wine in a velvet bell sleeved dress.

Voltaire once said he got an email one year from a guy at Convergence. The guy was upset at Voltaire for making jokes and not being "serious" enough at the event. Really?! *facepalm*

From: [identity profile] indilwen.livejournal.com


Ridiculous!
So they just want to stand around wearing black and maybe some makeup, and...that's about it, right?
By their definition, the word "Goth" shouldn't even be IN "nu-goth," because if you're not into dark romanticism, bombast, "cheese" and all the weird, wonderful, and dare I say textbook-definition-of-Gothic stuff thst defines the heart of Goth, what is the point of calling yourself one?

I'm afraid this ridiculousness is too much for me...I must now retire to my fainting couch to sip vintage claret until the sun sinks and my vampire lover awakens ;)
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