[livejournal.com profile] minim_calibre pointed me at a post on a fashion/makeup blog: Something wicked this way comes. (Clicky-link!)

The cosmetic companies are going with dark colors for autumn. Including Lancome, of all companies, releasing a black lip gloss. One of the people commenting on that blog asked "Is there a way to wear black lipgloss and not look goth?"

In case any of you reading this LJ were wondering the same thing, let me give you a hint: NO. THERE IS NOT A WAY TO WEAR A BLACK LIPCOLOR AND NOT LOOK LIKE A GOTH.

::wanders off muttering about mainstream fashion co-opting things from Goth but mucking it up every time::

From: [identity profile] mina5643.livejournal.com


I'm so happy something like that's coming out, but similar comments also irk me. Black lipcolor is something of a trademark of goth culture (even if it is a little cheesy at times).

I.E. gtfo my aesthetics, n00b. (not you, them! them!)
Edited Date: 2008-08-01 06:29 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] water-of-fire.livejournal.com


I was about to respond pretty much exactly this. *high-five*

I am so wearing black lipstick in my icon, yes. And you know who makes a great one? Nyx Cosmetics. Mmmmmm. Nyx.
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From: [identity profile] gchick.livejournal.com


I'm confused.

There is a set of beings that likes black lip gloss.

There is a set of beings that doesn't want to look goth.

Normally, these two sets do not intersect. Can you 'splain it to me?

From: [identity profile] water-of-fire.livejournal.com


I wonder if we (where "we" = goths) have the same penchant for slumming in other aesthetics that civilians tend to have for slumming in ours. They want to look "edgy" (what does that even MEAN?) without looking goth. Um.

From: [identity profile] mina5643.livejournal.com


It reminds me of how black nail polish was popular for a while (and still is, although waning). "HOW DO I WEAR IT WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE THIS"

"HAHA, YOU DON'T"

It just means dark ruffly shirts are still going to be sold at Mervyn's.

Oh, and to respond to the other commenter: It doesn't make sense in -our- heads, but it's just the way fashion trends go. It's like a continuous tornado that picks up things from here and there, carries them for a while, and then drops it someplace else.
Edited Date: 2008-08-01 08:12 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ocvictor.livejournal.com


::wanders off muttering about mainstream fashion co-opting things from Goth but mucking it up every time::

Actually, I'm going to disagree with you, at least a tad. All healthy cultures assimilate and mainstream from subcultures, and while the mainstreamed reflection often lacks the vitality of the orignal (let us consider the history of rock 'n' roll from Little Richard to Elvis, all the way up through whatever it is frat boys listen to these days) it's still, culturally speaking, a good sign when it happens. Any art form or mode of expression that remains cloistered eventually decays.

...

Victor re-reads what he's written above. Realizes he is a giant nerd. Is strangely comfortable with this.


From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


I'm fine with the mainstream adopting some things from my chosen subculture, really I am. It's just that ... I can't imagine any way for black lipstick NOT to look Goth, and I'm baffled that there are fashion-y types who think that not only it could be done, but that it should be done.

I approve of your giant nerd-ness!

From: [identity profile] savannarama.livejournal.com


Let them try not to look goth and fail. More makeup for you!

Victor, I think you are quite correct. Style mustn't get too inbred.

From: [identity profile] tzaddi-93.livejournal.com


The only way I can think of to not look goth while wearing black lip gloss is to either:

1) Use it very sparingly to slightly darken another lip color

OR

2) Wear it for a retro black & white photoshoot, where it can pass for dark red.

From: [identity profile] icprncs.livejournal.com


Actually, I don't think any of the 'mainstream' types do think that.

I'm pretty certain those utterly outlandish colors aren't intended to make money; I think instead that they're made purely for PR. A line that puts out a black or blue or dark purple lip color is going to get press for it, and that means their brand will be in people's heads. The brand identification is worth more to them than what it costs to make and market the non-mainstream shades.

(I am also a giant nerd.)

From: [identity profile] lilmartini.livejournal.com


Which generally means win for "us" as we have an outlet to buy and buy big until the trend turns.

While it feels a bit like chicanery, I have no problem taking advantage of it.

From: [identity profile] stroppy-baggage.livejournal.com


Actually, I suspect the issue may be less the attempt to assimilate aspects of Goth cultures, and more the fact that they'll assimilate and then be snotty about the original source of their 'new' look.

Copying is one thing. Copying and being a dick about the original; quite another thing altogether.

From: [identity profile] sparkymonster.livejournal.com


Oh and "Holy Shiz - if I did that black gloss I will look straight up like Winonna in Beetlejuice. NOT GOOD for a 30 year old."

PFFFTTTTTT

Those people are so confused.

From: [identity profile] javagoth.livejournal.com


This later comment just really cracked me up:

I guess the black is cool as concept makeup, but it's probably totally unflattering on anyone with tan/fair skin because yes, it will look goth. Not that I have an issue with goths themselves, other than that they scare the living crap out of me, but the look is just overall not really a good one for anybody.

I may have to purge more make-up to get more make-up. For whatever reason, though, every time I've tried black lipstick on myself it's just looked... I dunno... wrong... Ah well.

From: [identity profile] dark-phoenix54.livejournal.com


Well, I'm happy to know we're still managing to scare people. *rolls eyes*

I really like the way she equates 'unflattering' with 'goth'.

I've discovered that black lipstick looks like crap on me, but works stunningly over red.

From: [identity profile] javagoth.livejournal.com


Yeah I wish people would more often relate different as just being different and maybe not their style and not so much with the scary and unflattering. Ah well.

Good to know about the black over red - I'll give that a try. Thanks!

From: [identity profile] lilmartini.livejournal.com


I concur. I have olive (read sallow-ish) skin so black has never been my friend in lipstick, but a black gloss would look fabulous over a medium red on me.

From: [identity profile] javagoth.livejournal.com


Ummm... no actually.

There's quite a lot of shades in between fair skin and black skin from all different cultures around the world.

Even of the fair skin variety my fair skin is different than [livejournal.com profile] cupcake_goth's in a way that she looks fabulous in black lipstick whereas I don't.

From: [identity profile] sophiabrooks.livejournal.com


Oh- I think I was reading the person's comment wrong because of this

but the look is just overall not really a good one for anybody.

but in retrospect that was a little dumb.

From: [identity profile] theblackdeer.livejournal.com


Oooh I wonder if it will be as nice as the old Dior one.

I hope the average normal realizes that black lippies look good on almost NO ONE and that only the palest, truly "winter" skin tone can even remotely get away with it, and even then it has to have the right base color to it (like the purple base in the black Dior gloss.) Even GOTHS know this. Most of us also wear the correct shade of foundation, but I digress...

Wait, I hope they *don't* realize it, so I can laugh at them for doing whatever the mags tell them to, regardless of how retarded they look.
Edited Date: 2008-08-01 07:18 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


I still have a tube of the Dior "alluring black" gloss, because I love that color.

From: [identity profile] theblackdeer.livejournal.com


I had several, but they're so old I had to toss them since they had become "icky-sticky."

From: [identity profile] m-cobweb.livejournal.com


And what do I pick out in the comments? Someone got their hands on the blue MAC Lipglass, which I was not able to do before it sold out. I would love the combination, I know it.

(Aha, so that's why I keep this icon around.)

From: [identity profile] cass404.livejournal.com


Black gloss, black gloss, thinky thoughts, OMG MAC'S NEW SMOKE AND DIAMONDS SHADOW I THINK THIS IS TRU MAKEUP WUV AND I WANT IT.

Um, I got distracted by a different shiny...

From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


"Is there a way to wear black lipgloss and not look goth?"

No, there isn't. If you're not OK with that, put the lipgloss down and back away from the makeup counter.

From: [identity profile] grrl-cake.livejournal.com


Yeah, Luella had black lipstick and 'Strawberry Switchblade hair'. Cute, but why? But this is another reason for me to get a Lancome lip gloss, to see if it's fabulous.

From: [identity profile] water-of-fire.livejournal.com


The Smashbox site is doing free shipping within the contiguous states -- I just ordered the Sultry gloss and coordinating Tempt lip pencil. Will let you know. :)
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