It is real. http://community.livejournal.com/gothfash/3873582.html

And guess what? I'm one of those people who thinks that people getting annoyed and defending the things they care about and the subcultures they are part of is important. And that laughing at and mocking people who care about such things is socially backward, mean-spirited, and, to be perfectly honest, boring.

There's nothing wrong with having a different opinion than other people. There's certainly nothing wrong with expressing that differing opinion. But being a rude jerk and then claiming other people don't have a sense of humor when they call you on being a rude jerk is dumb. (I sort of tangentially address this in this GCS column.)

Yes, I am going to write a letter to IKEA tonight. I am also going to work on a new GCS column about how disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that you should mock them or be a petty, spiteful jackass.

From: [identity profile] marc17.livejournal.com


We should demand a pro-goth ad from Ikea in all those letters to make up for this one.
ashbet: (Peekaboo)

From: [personal profile] ashbet


That's actually not such a bad idea ;)

-- A <3

From: [identity profile] ocvictor.livejournal.com


You know -- and not to take away from anyone's ire -- but there was a point when I was 16 or so and floating in and out of the Goth scene when I would have been overjoyed to have a major purveyor of Generica calling me "creepy" and "probably a bad influence." Because really. Consider the source.

Just a thought that's occurred to me in all this.

From: [identity profile] poh.livejournal.com


That's funny because I feel the same way. I'm not 16 though. :D

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


No, I get that. But I've gotten FAR too many letters from kids talking about how their parents are freaking out because the parents are sure that Goth = baby-killing, drug-taking Satanist. So when I see stuff like the IKEA ad, it raises my hackles.

I don't want my subculture to be defanged (insert obligatory vampire ref here!), but I don't want to see it unfairly labled as a bad influence, either.

From: [identity profile] poh.livejournal.com


In that light, a rather obscure IKEA ad (didn't hear about it until this morning when people freaked out) is a molehill compared to the mountain of shit that fundie churches, "authority" figures, shit-for-brained senators and Congressmen, etc, etc, etc spew out pretty much daily.
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From: [identity profile] poh.livejournal.com


Fortunately they sell meatballs in bags that you can take home and enjoy in the presence of Lord Master Satan.

From: [identity profile] water-of-fire.livejournal.com


*applause*

And I want to take your icon home and eat meatballs with it.

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


Yes, it is a molehill compared to those other things. But I also do what I can to combat the bile and nonsense those other mouthpieces spew out, too. I haven't been writing GCS for solely my amusement, y'know. ;)
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From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


Oh, I know. Most of the Satanists I've met have been fairly articulate and interesting people. In fact, it's another one of the stereotypes that bugs me.

From: [identity profile] semy-of-pearls.livejournal.com


Personally? I'm not taking it as a jab. I can understand why some will take it personally, but considering the rather dull, drab lives these people have, they would WANT the rather garish colors IKEA tends to present.

Don't get me wrong, IKEA has a lot of stuff I want (mmmm sideboard!) but I don't like the colors the usually inflict upon the world.

Don't like IKEA? Don't shop there. Besides, the advertising (ahem) geniuses aren't the ones who actually work there. *Smile*

From: [identity profile] icprncs.livejournal.com


IKEA had to approve what the advertising genuises came up with, however. And if they didn't, they're just morons for letting their advertisers do stuff that they haven't signed off on.

I'm not offended about the goth part so much, but I think it's really amazingly crappy and not-funny writing, which always offends me.

From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


Just as everyone who hates Dick Cheney needs to remember that Dubya hired him.
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From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


It's a non-argument.

Which would explain why it's been so popular with Rush Limbaugh. In court.

Cuz everyone knows bein' the toughest-lookin' kid on the playground is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE UNIVERSE.

You win the Internet today.

From: [identity profile] emeraldpunk.livejournal.com


I had to go searching, because I had no idea what you were talking about. and i have to say, my immediate reaction was "WTF?" followed by a slow burn. I'm not a goth, by any means, but i lived through all the 80s "metal will lead your children to kill others and themselves and give their souls to Satan" etc., BS then. So when I see something like this, I often want to find the ijit and pound him.

ESPECIALLY IKEA who should know better--they come form the land of black metal murders and church burnings, for Gods' sake! You'd think they'd have gotten the whole "could be going to far, music and subcultures aren't evil" thing down. Guess not.

Personally, I'd be thrilled if my kid had a goth roommate. Especially if the oldest did--then i could feel comfy in her room and not have to worry that someone was going tolead her down the evil path of pop music. (No, that's NOT sarcasm)

From: [identity profile] vorona.livejournal.com


I think it's possible, and important, to be civil, even while clearly displeased. Here's what I sent earlier today, linking IKEA's own slogan to one aspect of Goth culture, heheheh:

I shop regularly at IKEA in Seattle, and so do many of my friends.

We are Goths. We dress and decorate our homes in variations on a tragic-optimist bohemian theme (essentially: 'you don't have to be rich, just smart') ranging from Minimalist to Romantic.

Our homes are full of books, music, and art - and quite a lot of IKEA furniture and housewares. It's amazing how well your products fit into many styles of Gothic decor, the simple and the not-so-simple. IKEA is mentioned fairly frequently on our web boards and blogs, whenever home furnishing and decor comes up.

When we go to IKEA, we eat at the smorgasbord just like your other customers. I particularly enjoy the pickled herring and steamed vegetables. We do not drink blood.

We are Goths. We are decent people with a strong social network, families, jobs, homes, values, and dreams. We are also your customers. We deserve better than to be called "creepy" in your catalog.

I am very disappointed that you would insult such a large portion of your customer base.

sincerely,

Ivy Green
Seattle

From: [identity profile] cass404.livejournal.com


That is a lovely letter.

And I hope that IKEA realizes that this was maybe not the best marketing idea ever. Because I need candles.

From: [identity profile] recalcitrant-lj.livejournal.com


What would y'all do if it wasn't for the annual Some Corporate Entity Sneered At Us holiday?


From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I would answer questions from strangers who want to know why I choose to look like this, and aren't all goths depressed freaks who think they're vampires?

You know, the same thing I do every day.


From: [identity profile] recalcitrant-lj.livejournal.com


Yes, and I think that if you are honest, at least a little part of you *enjoys* the questions.

That's my entire point. Goths, as a subculture, thrive on feeling persecuted. Any excuse to rise up in arms about how the clueless have such horrible views on it lets people get all excited and offended.

Hell, for that matter, I think it's the same for just about every subculture. "Whoa, we are so misunderstood!"

If a couple months go by without any legitmate "persecution", the slights start being imagined.

Ikea didn't do anything different than what I've heard just about every goth I've met say, in a joking manner, about their own subculture. And y'all seem pleased as punch that once again you can rail against those who just don't get me.

From: [identity profile] recalcitrant-lj.livejournal.com


Damn it.

I hope my laptop's screen enjoyed the vitamin water bath.

From: [identity profile] stephl.livejournal.com


Yes, and I think that if you are honest, at least a little part of you *enjoys* the questions.

You can read minds??? God DAMN, that is SO COOL!!!!

Now read mine: which finger am I holding up? Go on, I know you can see it....

From: [identity profile] riani1.livejournal.com


A better ad would have been "And they'll be easy to tell apart from your goth roommate's sheets when you do laundry."

From: [identity profile] e-juliana.livejournal.com


If it had been that, I would have giggled. It's funny 'cuz it's true!!

From: [identity profile] faeredelune.livejournal.com


I am behind on this ad, I started reading and realized early into the post that we aremt' talking about "start the car!!" which reminds me of my 'adopted-mom' and her stylish thrift.

I am curious, odds are that it will annoy me to no end... yet I'm still curious.

From: [identity profile] torreybird.livejournal.com


I saw it posted about elsewhere, and was hoping that The Lady would have something to say. Can't wait to read it. Please to make it *even more* public than usual, say by submitting to one of our local "news"papers?

From: [identity profile] mahariel.livejournal.com


I've had mixed reactions when discussing this with people today, from the completely flabbergasted to the "Oh, come on, it's a joke - you're taking it too seriously." It's the latter that truly bothers me, because it means there are people out there who think a slur in jest is permissible, as long as whoever's being "funny" carefully picks whose expense the jest will be at.

-Victoria

From: [identity profile] krypt-kitten.livejournal.com


I wrote my email yesterday to Ikea and here is the response I got back:

On behalf of IKEA, we truly value your opinion, and appreciate the time that you took to share with us your thoughts about our advertising campaign. Please know that in no way did we intend to upset or offend you with this campaign. The concept behind this campaign was simply to show that when people are more organized the end benefits are they having time in their lives to do activities that they find enjoyable - whatever that might be. We strive to appeal to a diverse audience and hope that we in no way have tarnished or affected the way you think about our company. With all of our advertising campaigns we strive to break the mundane sale pitches that are frequently seen on television with a little humor and levity that our neighbors and customers can enjoy. When developing our campaigns, our intention is not to offend anyone however; occasionally a commercial may strike a particular chord with someone. We truly value your opinion, as well as all of our customers' opinions. Again, thank you for reaching out to us to share your thoughts about our advertising campaign. Sincerely,
IKEA Customer Care Center

What a joke! I fail to see how that response addresses what the ad even said. *roll eyes* I'd respond back if I actually thought it would be worth the effort.

From: [identity profile] theblackdeer.livejournal.com


I was out most of yesterday (by out, I mean asleep) but I am going to take a look at the gothfash thread today and if anybody needs banning, I'll take great joy in doing so...

From: [identity profile] septembergrrl.livejournal.com


What struck me when I looked at the whole ad (http://links.ikea-usa.com/servlet/MailView?ms=OTAzNDc4S0&r=MjU3NzcyMDg4MgS2&j=Mjk2NTQzNjcS1&mt=1) was that it wasn't even a theme that was carried through to the rest of the copy. (e.g., the copy under the lamp doesn't say it's an illuminating study partner, unlike the frat boy roommate, who will make things dimmer.) It's a random, not-that-funny slam at goths, and it pisses even vanilla me off. I wonder what Ikea was thinking.
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