In an attempt to improve my dreadful handwriting, I've been trying to do hand-written first drafts of GCS content.

... so far, it doesn't seem to be helping, but is just making me even MORE aware of how scrawly my writing is. I think I need to start doing penmanship exercises, or take a calligraphy class or something.

(Plus I'm not used to writing by hand anymore, so now my hand hurts. Whaaah, I say. Whaaaaaah.)

From: [identity profile] dementiana.livejournal.com


They have penmanship alphabets that you can get at some learning or paper stores, also some that you can download online. You put tracing paper or vellum over them and practice like when you were little. It helps a lot. :)
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From: [personal profile] fufaraw


Do you have a pretty glass pen? Perhaps one of these (scroll down for the glass ones). And maybe some scented inks?

I have a number of old school pen nibs of different shapes and width of line, plus some oblique nibs, and various carved wooden, sculpted hard rubber, or molded plastic penholders. I also have and regularly use my dad's 1930s Sheaffer fountain pen, and DH's high school graduation gift Pelikan fountain pen, and a few others I've picked up along the way. I find that using real liquid ink and a dip or fountain pen does wonders for improving one's penmanship. It brings back the rhythm of writing, and makes it a sensual experience.


From: [identity profile] tkil.livejournal.com

good paper, too


Don't forget that quality paper makes a huge difference as well. I found that especially true with fountain pens, but all my writing feels much better on smoother, more consistent paper. (Which I'm completely unable to offer suggestions on, but if you go to a stationary store, they will hopefully be able to help you out.)

From: [identity profile] tkil.livejournal.com

writing, printing, italics, longhand


What exactly do you mean by "writing"? One of the longhands taught in USA primary schools?

Do some research before you do too much more writing; most of those longhand systems have no particular basis for preference other than being well-known. They might also exacerbate any RSI symptoms you might have.

My own writing/printing style is informed by some of the flowing characteristics of the systems above, but it's more printing (and sometimes not picking up the pen when it doesn't make a difference). I find that it gets much more legible if I take my time writing things out -- but if I want to write fast enough to keep up with my brain, the quality does go down a bit.

There is also the original "italic" system; from memory, it was created by Italian monks (thus the name) for quick, efficient copying of texts.

Now for references for all that...
First paragraph here is nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penmanship
Ooh, very nice (although it's on about.com, so watch out for popups and such): http://desktoppub.about.com/od/fonts/p/schoolfontstyle.htm
And a page full of samples: http://www.drawyourworld.com/dnealian.html
The Palmer Method, much taught in the USA: http://www.zanerian.com/Palmer.html
Here's at least one book on modern italics: http://www.cep.pdx.edu/titles/write_now/index.html

Hm. Just in case I misinterpreted, the traditional fancy loopy cursive is still valid, but it's effectively an art form, not just for communication -- and like any art form, it takes long and regular practice to develop and maintain an elegant hand.

Happy writing!

From: [identity profile] cass404.livejournal.com


My writing used to be so much better. I think it even used to be legible. I'd like it to be pretty again as well.

I've been writing letters to my neicelet at least every couple of days because she was shipped off to Vermont and, while it's not the motivation I would have chosen, I am noticing marked improvement.

Using pens that are comfortable and paper I like is quite key, as people have mentioned. It just makes it so much nicer.

I keep a wee supply in my purse, along with the gorgeous address book I found at Powell's, so that I can write a little whenever the muse comes to call. Or when I have time to while away.

Which is to say, having the penmanship you want is a good thing to want and work toward.

From: [identity profile] recalcitrant-lj.livejournal.com


Have we slipped back in time, or something?

Really, handwriting is a pretty much useless anachronism.

We have printers and fonts for a reason: no one can read anyone else's handwriting.

From: [identity profile] tkil.livejournal.com

Re: writing, printing, italics, longhand


More links.

Samples of italic hands across centuries: http://briem.ismennt.is/d/dd/dda/ddaa.htm
Some amazing "everyday" work with fountain pens: http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/pens/

From: [identity profile] tkil.livejournal.com

handwriting not quite obsolete...


Hm. Not entirely obsolete. I've gotten handwritten prescriptions lately (and those are scary unreadable.) Physical signatures are still needed. The elegance and personal touch of handwritten (or at least hand-amended) holiday cards, formal invitations, etc, are still appreciated.

And even as a computer programmer, I find myself writing a fair bit -- on whiteboards, notes in meetings, and even little reminders to physically stick on my computer keyboard. W.r.t. notes: sure, I can type faster than I can write legibly -- but when I'm doing software design, I have boxes and arrows everywhere, and when I'm doing math, I've got equations everywhere.

There are methods for generating those on the computer, but I've never worked with any that are fast and fluid enough to be useful -- so I still make paper notes and then typeset them later as required. I helped my wife remotely with some calculus; I eventually typeset it and turned it into this (http://scrye.com/~tkil/help/jenn/2005-fall/calc-20051101/calc-20051101-001.png), but I wouldn't be able to do that nearly as quickly as I generated my rough notes.

Finally, typing and computers (and printers and fonts) all require electricity (or at least a manual typewriter and an inked ribbon); sometimes a notebook and pen or pencil is more appropriate (taking notes, exchanging information after an accident, annotating existing documents...)

From: [identity profile] cass404.livejournal.com

Re: handwriting not quite obsolete...


It can be beautiful as well. Also far more personal and just tactile.

Computers are fantastic and I swoon at font collections, but for me pen and paper have their place as well.

From: [identity profile] sophiap.livejournal.com


If you have a nicy, flowy pen that glides across the paper, it can make the experience so much nicer. I find that writing longhand can sometimes make me think more about what I'm writing, so I'll often revert to longhand for tricky passages. I have noticed that my handwriting does improve the more I write, especially if I remain a little mindful of it as I write.

In other news, have you heard of the album "Electronic Edwardians" by In the Nursery? Wonderful, wonderful listen-to-while-you're-writing music.

From: [identity profile] mahariel.livejournal.com


Mine is so awful I'm embarassed to let me see it. I type and print as much as possible.

My signature and initials are even worse, considering the number of times I have to sign them each day. The initials get jotted down anywhere from 50-100 times a day.

Problem is, with my job, most of the time I don't have time to take it nice and slow and try to make things neat - I've got to not this down and get on to the next thing.

-Victoria

From: [identity profile] thedivas.livejournal.com


I practiced my penmanship quite a bit a few years ago. There are a few different websites available with writing style samples, and those practice sheets from grade school. I found them to be quite helpful. This looks like a decent site.

http://penmanship.donnayoung.org/charts.htm

From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


My first reaction on earth was, 'Why on earth would she want to do that?' In my case, though, I already have an answer: to make my handwriting look less butch.

From: [identity profile] sistawendy.livejournal.com


"My first reaction on earth"? I should quit posting before breakfast.

From: [identity profile] butterflake.livejournal.com


I like to think of my handwriting as 'stylized' but really, it's just awful. According to handwriting analysis I'm a serial killer, what with the half cursive, half print (in the same word), leaning in different directions, completely random dips on y's, j's, and g's... not to mention that it's illegible to anyone who tries to read it. Hell, Handwriting was the only 'C' I ever receieved on my Jr. high grade card.

I've never tried penmanship exercises or caligraphy classes, but I know that writing more didn't help one bit.

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


Sweetie, who are you talking to here? I'm all about pretty, 'useless' anachronisms.

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com


I do have a pretty glass pen (a present from The Husband), and some very good-quality inks. (I'm thinking of decanting some of the ink into another bottle, so I can experiment with scenting the ink without possibly ruining the whole bottle.) I need to get back in the habit of carrying my beloved silver spiderweb fountain pen with me and using it, too.

Last night's foray into handwriting was probably hampered by the fact that I was sitting on the couch, balancing the notebook on my lap, and having a very affectionate cat bumping her head into the notebook or on the pen.

From: [identity profile] cupcake-goth.livejournal.com

Re: writing, printing, italics, longhand


Ooh, thank you for the links! Those will be very helpful.

I'm fine with a "non-traditional" style of handwriting (even though a tiny part of me really wants to be able to produce flowing, Edwardian-style writing); I just want it to look elegant, not scribbly.
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From: [personal profile] fufaraw


Both my parents were taught penmanship, in one-room schools at desks with inkwells in the desktop corners. They used the Palmer method, which emphasised writing from the shoulder, rather than from the wrist. They did practice sheets to show me, of ovals and spikes, pages of rows on rows of overlapping ovals or upsweep-downsweep-upsweep-downsweep slanting lines. Both of them were very proud of their handwriting; my dad especially so, since he'd won a penmanship award in fourth grade.

He developed Parkinson's in his 70s, and in his 80s, when his hands shook so badly he had trouble feeding himself, his signature was still legible, and mostly the same as it had always been. In her 90s, my mom's signature is still steady and perfectly slanted.

From: [identity profile] seankozma.livejournal.com


I've started doing this for a lot of things as well. It does takes is practice. Eventually you'll find a style that's a happy middle ground between fast, comfortable and readable.

And the hurty-wrist thing, well.... yeah.

From: [identity profile] tkil.livejournal.com

Re: writing, printing, italics, longhand


Just in case you're curious, here are a few sheets of calculus scribble I wrote to help my lovely wife ([livejournal.com profile] deliriumdreams) with her homework. It is a fair demonstration of my penmanship (or lack thereof).

http://scrye.com/~tkil/help/jenn/2006-spring/calc-20060305/

(Pardon the yellowed prints -- amazing how much light my stupid little camera wants...)
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